Kalonda: Jérôme, dimi mɛtɛ ngɛnangɛnaka ɔkɛtshanyelo wendana l’awui wa lo Bible wokotosalaka mbala la mbala. * Mbala k’ekomelo kakatasawola, wɛ akoke dimbola diendana la Diolelo diaki Nzambi. Wɛ akambola lande na ketawɔ Ɛmɛnyi wa Jehowa ɔnɛ Diolelo diakatatɛ mbolɛ lo 1914.

Jérôme: Eelo, lakadia okanda anyu ɔmɔtshi ndo lɔkɔ wakate ɔnɛ Diolelo diaki Nzambi diakatatɛ mbolɛ lo 1914. Dui sɔ diakakutola yaambalo yami nɛ dia wɛ akambutɛ ɔnɛ wetshelo anyu tshɛ tombaka oma lo Bible.

Kalonda: Kɛsɔ mɛtɛ mbasalaso.

Jérôme: Eelo, lakadia Bible k’otondo dia nyanga dui sɔ. Koko, halohɔ dia lakɛnyi divɛsa dimɔtshi diatɛkɛta dia ɔnɔnyi wa 1914. Oma laasɔ, lakatshu l’Ɛtɛrnɛtɛ ko lakatosala eyangelo wendana la ɔnɔnyi wa “1914” lo Bible kele lɛkɔ, koko ndooko divɛsa diatɛkɛta dia ɔnɔnyi ɔsɔ.

Kalonda: Dimi kaandolaka l’ɔtɛ w’awui ahende, Jérôme. Dui dia ntondo ele, l’ɔtɛ wakayadia Bible k’otondo. Kɛsɔ mɛnyaka dia wɛ nangaka mɛtɛ Ɔtɛkɛta wa Nzambi, Bible.

Jérôme: Dimi kilangaka mɛtɛ. Nɛ dia dimi fɔnyaka dia ndooko dibuku diakoka mbɛdikama la Bible.

Kalonda: Wɛ ambonda laawɔ. Dui dia hende ele, dimi kaandolaka l’ɔtɛ wakayasale eyangelo paka lo Bible dia nkondja okadimwelo lo dimbola diayɛ. Wɛ akasale paka dui nɛ diatokeketsha Bible dia nsala: ‘Tetemala nyanga’ dia nshihodia. * Ekɔ dimɛna woho wadjayɛ welo wa ngasɔ.

Jérôme: Losaka efula. Dimi kombolaka ntetemala mbeka. Koko, lakanyomotosala eyangelo ko lakashola awui amɔtshi wendana la ɔnɔnyi wa 1914 lo dibuku diakateke nɛ. Diɔ tɛkɛtaka dikambo dia dɔ diakɛnyi nkumekanga kɛmɔtshi diendana la otamba wa shaka wakahembɔma ndo ondo wakayotomba.

Kalonda: Aaa, eelo. Ɔsɔ ekɔ prɔfɛsiya katanema lo Danyele tshapita 4. Tɔ tɛkɛtaka dikambo dia dɔ dimɔtshi diakɛnyi Nɛbukadinɛza nkumekanga ka la Babilɔna.

Jérôme: Eelo, laawɔ asɔ. Lokadɛka prɔfɛsiya kɛsɔ mbala la mbala. Koko kashi kɔlɔ, talɛnyi diɔtɔnganelo diele lam’asa prɔfɛsiya kɛsɔ la Diolelo diaki Nzambi kana ɔnɔnyi wa 1914.

Kalonda: Jérôme, kɛnɛ kahombayɛ mbeya ele, kaanga omvutshi Danyɛlɛ koshihodia tshɛ lo tshɛ kɛnɛ kakandafunde l’ɛlɔmwɛlɔ ka nyuma!

Jérôme: Lo mɛtɛ?

Kalonda: Eelo. Lo Danyele 12:8, nde mbutaka ɔnɛ: “Dimi lakuki aui aso, keli dimi kunshihudia.”

Jérôme: Tetele aha dimɛ oto! Dui sɔ diambokeketsha yema.

Kalonda: Lo mɛtɛ, Danyɛlɛ koshihodia awui asɔ nɛ dia laasɔ ko etena kakashikikɛ Nzambi ka anto  nshihodia tshɛ lo tshɛ kitshimudi ya prɔfɛsiya ka lo dibuku dia Danyele katakoke. Koko l’etena kaso kɛnɛ, sho koka nshihodia awui asɔ tshɛ lo tshɛ.

Jérôme: Lande na katayɛ ngasɔ?

Kalonda: Eelo, lembetɛ kɛnɛ kaangaso mbadia lo divɛsa diayela. Danyele 12:9 mbutaka ɔnɛ: “Aui wambushama, wambudihama ematelu edja ndu lu etena k’ekumelu.” Ɔnkɔnɛ, prɔfɛsiya shɔ yakahombe ndjoshihodiama edja efula l’ɔkɔngɔ, “lu etena k’ekumelu.” Ndo oko wayangaso diɛna lo wekelo aso wa Bible, tolembetelo tshɛ mɛnyaka dia nshi nyɛ tekɔ lo nsɛna l’etena k’ekomelo. *

Jérôme: Ko, onde wɛ koka nembetshiyami prɔfɛsiya kele lo Danyele?

Kalonda: Eelo, taanga mpemba.

Kalonda: Ntondotondo, laanga takolembetshiyisha dɔ diakɛnyi nkumekanga Nɛbukadinɛza lo tshena pe. Oma laasɔ, tayoyɔsɛdingola kitshimudi yadiɔ.

Jérôme: Kawɔ.

Kalonda: Lo dɔ sɔ, Nɛbukadinɛza akɛnyi shaka y’otamba yaki otale polo l’olongo. Oma laasɔ, nde akoke dikɛndji diaki Nzambi adjanga dia otamba ɔsɔ nyukwama. Koko, Nzambi akate dia vɔ ntshika ehekele kaki l’edio lo nkɛtɛ. L’ɔkɔngɔ wa etena ka “tena esambeli,” otamba wakahombe ndjoola nto. * Prɔfɛsiya kɛsɔ kakendanaka ntondo la nkumekanga Nɛbukadinɛza ndaamɛ. Kaanga mbakinde nkumekanga kaki la lokumu l’efula oko otamba w’otale polo l’olongo, nde akahembwama l’edja ka “tena esambeli.” Onde wɛ akoohɔ kɛnɛ kakatombe?

Jérôme: Ndooko, handjohɔ.

Kalonda: Ekɔ dimɛna. Bible mɛnyaka dia Nɛbukadinɛza akashisha yimba l’edja ka ɛnɔnyi esambele. L’etena kɛsɔ, nde komonga l’akoka wa mbolɛ oko nkumekanga. Koko, l’ekomelo ka tena esambele, Nɛbukadinɛza akayonga la yimba nto ndo akayotatɛ mbolɛ nto. *

Jérôme: Kawɔ, polo ndo wony’ɔsɔ lekɔ lo toke dimɛna. Ko diɔtɔnganelo diakɔna diele lam’asa awui asɔ tshɛ la Diolelo diaki Nzambi ndo ɔnɔnyi wa 1914?

Kalonda: Laanga kolembetshiya lo tshena pe woho wakakotshama prɔfɛsiya kɛsɔ lo toho tohende. Okotshamelo wa ntondo wakayala etena kakemadiema lowandji laki nkumekanga Nɛbukadinɛza. Okotshamelo wa hende mendanaka la etena kakatshike Nzambi dia nɔmbɔla la nkɛtɛ. Laasɔ, okotshamelo wa hende wa prɔfɛsiya ɔsɔ mbendana la Diolelo diaki Nzambi.

Jérôme: Ngande weyayɛ dia prɔfɛsiya kɛsɔ kekɔ la okotshamelo wa hende wendana la Diolelo diaki Nzambi?

Kalonda: Ntondotondo, prɔfɛsiya kakɔ kekɔ la dui dimɔtshi diɛnya dui sɔ. Lo ndjela Danyele 4:17, prɔfɛsiya kakashama dia “wasena mbeya vati: Khum’Ulungu kuledi lu diulelu di’antu. Ndi katushaka one lalangandi disha.” Onde wɛ akalembete etelo k’ɔnɛ “diulelu di’antu”?

Jérôme: Eelo, akatami lɔkɔ ɔnɛ “Khum’Ulungu kuledi lu diulelu di’antu.”

Kalonda: Ekɔ ngasɔ. Oko le yɛ afɔnyayɛ ele “Nkum’Ulungu”?

Jérôme: Dimi fɔnyaka dia ɔsɔ ekɔ Nzambi.

Kalonda: Ɔsɔku mbediɔ. Dui sɔ tɛnyaka dia prɔfɛsiya kɛsɔ hendana paka la Nɛbukadinɛza oto. Koko, tɔ mendanaka ndo la “diulelu di’antu,” mbuta ate woho wele Nzambi la lowandji laadiko di’anto. Ndo sho koka mboka dui sɔ hwe naka sho menda awui wele lo prɔfɛsiya kɛsɔ.

Jérôme: Alangayɛ mbuta?

Kalonda: Dibuku dia lo Bible dia Danyele tɛkɛtaka dui diakɔ diaamɛ mbala la mbala. Diɔ mɛnyaka mbala efula woho wayoshikimala Diolelo diaki Nzambi l’ɛlɔmbwɛlɔ k’Ɔnande Yeso. Tɔsɛdingole totshapita tɔmɔtshi dia nshikikɛ dui sɔ. Lam’alangɛ, wɛ koka mbadia Danyele 2:44?

Jérôme: Kawɔ. Lambadia laawɔ ɔnɛ: “Lu nshi ya khumi ya dikanga yako, Nzambi leli l’ulungu ayutundja diulelu diahalanaki pundju. Dio hadiuyala l’okongo a wudja ukina. Dio diayulanya waulelu  ako tshe, diayâshila ushiki, ku dio diame diayushikikala pundju.”

Kalonda: Losaka efula. Onde wɛ fɔnyaka dia divɛsa nɛ tɛkɛtaka dia Diolelo diaki Nzambi?

Jérôme: Uumm. Hafɔnya.

Kalonda: Kawɔ, koko lembetɛ dia diɔ mbutaka ɔnɛ Diolelo diaki Nzambi “diayushikikala pundju.” Ngasɔ mbayonga Diolelo diaki Nzambi, koko aha kɛsɔ mbakokaso mbuta lo dikambo dia waolelo w’ana w’anto, shi mɛtɛ?

Jérôme: Ndooko, yaa hafɔnya.

Kalonda: Taanga nsɛdingola prɔfɛsiya kekina ka lo dibuku dia Danyele katɛkɛta dia Diolelo diaki Nzambi. Tɔ kekɔ lo Danyele 7:13, 14. Lo kɛnɛ kendana la ɔnɔmbɔdi wa lo nshi yayaye, prɔfɛsiya kɛsɔ mbutaka ɔnɛ: “Wakawusha luwandji, lutumbu, la diulelu dia antu tshe, wedja, la antu w’eteketa tshe ndjala l’okongo andi. Luwandji landi, leli luwandji la pundju, lahashilaki. La diulelu diandi, hadiulanyemaki pundju.” Onde ekɔ dui dimɔ dia lo prɔfɛsiya kɛnɛ diatoyeyaka dimɛna?

Jérôme: Tɔ kakatɛkɛtshi dikambo dia diolelo dimɔtshi.

Kalonda: Ekɔ ngasɔ. Ɔsɔ bu diolelo ko diolelo. Lembetɛ dia Diolelo sɔ diayonga la lowandji laadiko dia “antu tshe, wedja, la antu w’eteketa tshe.” L’ɛtɛkɛta ekina, Diolelo sɔ diayɔlɔmbɔla andja w’otondo.

Jérôme: Hafɔnya dia ɔsɔ mbele kitshimudi ya divɛsa sɔ, koko wɛ ekɔ la shadiya. Ngasɔ mbatadiɔ.

Kalonda: Ndo nto, lembetɛ dia prɔfɛsiya kɛnɛ mbutaka nto ɔnɛ: ‘Lowandji lande lekɔ lowandji la pondjo. Ndo diolelo diande hadiolanyemaki.’ Awui wakatadisha la diko fɔnaka efula l’awui wa lo prɔfɛsiya kɛnɛ kakiso oma la mbadia lo Danyele 2:44, shi ngasɔ?

Jérôme: Eelo.

Kalonda: Totokovusola yema lo tshena pe kɛnɛ kakatatɛkɛtshi la diko. Prɔfɛsiya ka lo Danyele tshapita 4 kakafundama l’oyango w’anto mbeya ɔnɛ “Khum’Ulungu kuledi lu diulelu di’antu.” Ɛtɛkɛta ɛsɔ mɛnyaka dia prɔfɛsiya kɛsɔ kekɔ la okotshamelo wa woke ndeka wɔnɛ wendana la Nɛbukadinɛza. Ndo lo dibuku dia Danyele di’otondo, sho tanaka prɔfɛsiya yendana la oshikimalelo wa Diolelo diaki Nzambi l’ɛlɔmbwɛlɔ k’Ɔnande. Onde wɛ fɔnyaka dia sho koka mbuta ɔnɛ prɔfɛsiya ka lo Danyele tshapita 4 mendanaka nto la Diolelo diaki Nzambi?

Jérôme: Ɛɛ, bu kɔlɔ. Koko, talɛnyi diɔtɔnganelo diele lam’asa prɔfɛsiya kakɔ la ɔnɔnyi wa 1914.

Kalonda: Eelo, tokalole yema lo ɔkɔndɔ wa nkumekanga Nɛbukadinɛza. Ohɔ dia lo okotshamelo wa ntondo wa prɔfɛsiya kɛsɔ, otamba waki didjidji dia nkumekanga Nɛbukadinɛza. Lowandji lande lakemadiema etena kakawahembola otamba ndo kakawatshikala la nkɛtɛ tena esambele, ɔsɔ aki etena kakandashisha yimba l’edja k’etena kɛmɔtshi. Etena ka tena esambele kɛsɔ kakakomɛ lam’akayonga Nɛbukadinɛza la yimba nto ndo kakandayotatɛ nɔmbɔla nto. Lo okotshamelo wa hende wa prɔfɛsiya kɛsɔ, ɛlɔmbwɛlɔ ka Nzambi kakahombe memadiema l’etena kɛmɔtshi, koko aha l’ɔtɛ w’ɔnɛ Nzambi akakite tatala lo yoho mɔtshi.

Jérôme: Alangayɛ mbuta?

Kalonda: Lo nshi yakafundamaka Bible, nkumi ya dikanga y’ase Isariyɛlɛ yakalɔmbɔlaka la Jɛrusalɛma yakalɔmbamaka dia mbidjasɛ lo ‘kiti ka Jehowa.’ * Vɔ waki enyimpala waki Nzambi wakolɛka wodja ande. Ɔnkɔnɛ, ɛlɔmbwɛlɔ ka nkumi ya dikanga shɔ kakakɛnɛmɔlaka mɛtɛ ɛlɔmbwɛlɔ kaki Nzambi. Koko l’etena kɛsɔ, efula ka nkumi ya dikanga shɔ kotetemala nkitanyiya Nzambi ndo efula  k’anto wakawalɔmbɔlaka wakayele lokolo lawɔ. Lam’ele ase Isariyɛlɛ kotetemala monga l’okitanyiya, Nzambi aketawɔ dia vɔ nɛndjama oma le ase Babilɔna lo 607 N.T.D. Oma k’etena kɛsɔ, ndooko nkumekanga kakayonga onyimpala wa Jehowa la Jɛrusalɛma. Lo yoho shɔ mbakemadiema ɛlɔmbwɛlɔ kaki Nzambi. Onde wɛ ekɔ lo tooke polo laasɔ?

Jérôme: Eelo.

Kalonda: Diakɔ diataso ɔnɛ lo 607 N.T.D. mbakatatɛ tena esambele kana mbakatatɛ etena kakemadiema ɛlɔmbwɛlɔ kaki Nzambi. L’ekomelo ka tena esambele sɔ, Nzambi akahombe nsɔna ɔnɔmbɔdi w’oyoyo wakahombe monga onyimpala ande, koko l’etena kɛsɔ onto ɔmɔtshi la l’olongo. L’etena kɛsɔ mbakahombe kotshama prɔfɛsiya kina ya lo Danyele yakatadisha. Ohokanyiya yema: Etena kakɔna kakakomɛ tena esambele sɔ? Paka naka sho nkondja okadimwelo wa dimbola sɔ, mbakokaso mbeya etena kakatatɛ Diolelo diaki Nzambi mbolɛ.

Jérôme: Ondo ngasɔ. Ohokonga kanyiya yema, shi tena esambele diakakomɛ lo 1914?

Kalonda: Ngasɔ mbediɔ! Wɛ ambonda laawɔ.

Jérôme: Ko ngande weyaso dui sɔ?

Kalonda: Eelo, etena kakandasambishaka la nkɛtɛ, Yeso akɛnya dia tena esambele diatakomɛ. * Mbokɛmaka dia ɔsɔ akahombe monga etena k’otale efula. Tena esambele diakatatɛ ɛnɔnyi nkama la ntondo ka Yeso ndja la nkɛtɛ ndo diɔ diakatetemala polo ndo l’etena kɛmɔtshi l’ɔkɔngɔ wa nde nkalola l’olongo. Ohɔ nto dia, kitshimudi ya prɔfɛsiya ya lo Danyele yakahombe ndjoshihodiama paka “l’etena k’ekumelu.” * Dui dia diambo ko, oya l’ekomelo ka ɛnɔnyi wa 1800, ambeki wa Bible w’etema ɛlɔlɔ wakadje yimba lo prɔfɛsiya shɔ ndo wakayisɛdingola la yambalo tshɛ. Vɔ wakatatɛ nshihodia ɔnɛ tena esambele diakahombe nkomɛ lo 1914. Ndo akambo efula wa weke wakatatɛ salema l’andja ɔnɛ wakashikikɛ dia Diolelo diaki Nzambi diakatatɛ mbolɛ l’olongo ɔnɔnyi wa 1914. Ɔnɔnyi ɔsɔ mbakatatɛ andja ɔnɛ mbɔtɔ lo nshi y’ekomelo. Kakianɛ, laya l’eshikikelo dia wɛ ambokondja elembetshielo efula wakokayɛ nkana la wɔ yimba . . .

Jérôme: Kawɔ. Layonyomadia awui anɛ nto dia dimi ndeka mbashihodia.

Kalonda: Tolekake ndjakiyanya. Akahombama etena k’otale dia ndo dimi lawɔ ndjoshihodia prɔfɛsiya nyɛ ndo ekotshamelo ayɔ. Eya dia lekɔ l’elongamelo dia ɔkɛtshanyelo aso wambokokimanyiya dia nshihodia ɔnɛ kɛnɛ ketawɔ Ɛmɛnyi wa Jehowa lo dikambo dia Diolelo ntomba oma lo Bible.

Jérôme: Kam’aditayɛ asɔ mbediɔ. Mbala tshɛ dimi mambiyamaka lo menda woho wakambayɛ la Bible dia mamɛ dietawɔ diayɛ.

Kalonda: Dimi kombolaka dia wɛ monga la nsaki kakɔ kaamɛ kɛsɔ. Oko wakamaditshi, aha mbala ɔtɔi mbayoyolembetɛ awui anɛ tshɛ. Ondo wɛ ekekɔ la ambola amɔtshi wa mboka. Ɛnyɛlɔ, tamboshikikɛ dia diɔtɔnganelo diekɔ lam’asa tena esambele la Diolelo diaki Nzambi ndo ɔnɛ tena diakɔ diakatatɛ lo 607 N.T.D. Ko ngande mɛtɛ weyaso dia tena esambele sɔ diakakomɛ lo 1914? *

Jérôme: Eelo, dimi toyaokaka dimbola sɔ.

Kalonda: Bible tokimanyiyaka dia mbeya yɛdikɔ y’ɛnɔnyi shikaa wele la tena esambele. Onde wɛ nangaka dia sho ndjɔsɛdingola dui sɔ mbala kayaye kayomoya?

Jérôme: Ɔsɔ ayonga dui dia dimɛna.